Sorry: sauce is a musical reference not an insult! Re: [-empyre-] Mobile territory

[Aliette <aliette@criticalsecret.org>]

I am so sorry that there woulkd be a consusion on the term "sauce" for
instance I had not noticed the recurrent repetition of "sauce" in your text,
like responding to an insult!

Simon: to say that "the sauce" in Jazz is not unfriendly but really an
emergent language from the composers or directors to create or call for an
environmental universe of ambiance of sounds not being the structure of the
composition itself but the support (specially through the rythm):  of one
instrument or several ones. (Salsa being considered as the veru and
exclusive music in proper object of the sauce to support the singers).

I its to hear in archives for any Jazz men such as Duke Ellington speaking
of his own music by quoting "the sauce"....

I apologize if you have heard it otherwise. Of course the criticism was in
my intention opposing the concept and the sauce as the proper instrument
mode being at the opposite of its notion of function (can being several
different) in music. It was really a metaphoric criticism not an insult
because it was not from the side of any value. Just from the side of the
distinctive conceptions of reasoning or telling..

To show how thinking that any words would be consensual all over my bad
English is not the very problem of the English (which is really a problem
but from another hand), but a problem of several cultures that are
confronted through the generations and the different life and may be even
into one very generation of nowadays, being a young one. That shows exactly
what I said concerning that the western culture as common symbolic front
over the question of the Languages (from the part of the sense) has
disappeared as proper symbolic culture (poetry, literature, arts and so on
but may be more a part of the scientific universe that had all a part of
political mirror concerning the productive pact with the society from
capitalism till communism).




 is not telling "the sauce" in Jazz

On 29/09/06 15:56, "Aliette" <aliette@criticalsecret.org> probably wrote:

> Simon
> 
> You are better now that you would be just before:) So you need any hard
> treatment to reveal your best? (without any seductive provocation from my
> part because being myself too much old for playing sadism, but this singular
> position giving me the possibility to know and tell that the real name of
> activist of Constant Nieuwenhuis as critical architect and theorist in his
> time was properly lonely Constant ? when accompanying any friends more a
> special one being my proper companion in a thesis of urbanism, going to meet
> Constant in Amsterdam for rediscovering the Unitary Urbanism in 1968 ? from
> an action in relative criticism of the exhaustive "Société du spectacle"
> supplanting all the move in the consciousness).
> 
> Encyclopaedia not being  my mode of knowledge. Sorry, I have learnt from the
> life and the strange circumstances of meeting other life not from the
> studies. But the studies of my friends having surrounded my proper bare life
> and having at home any original texts in remind;-)
> 
> With extracts, whatever global sense of a work can be adapted to whatever
> other sense and objects. It could not be a proof, just a testimony of the
> feeling from which the quotation is actualized.
> 
> But for may part never speaking in the name of the truth just testimony or
> critical reflexion as a personal tribute. Power is not my attention nor my
> project.
> 
> What I think is the absolute necessity of integrating all forms of
> experiments under another discriminating regime than academic, even academic
> being a notorious inescapable experiment. There will not be relevant re
> borning politics from the theory but emergent theory from the living
> mutating by the peoples who realize and integrate it from their cognitive
> traditions.
> 
> Just any jokes.
> 
> Best
> 
> A.
> 
> 
> On 29/09/06 10:40, "Simon Taylor" <swht@clear.net.nz> probably wrote:
> 
>> I have trouble with your English, Aliette, but - to pardon - my French would
>> give you more trouble. Your post, handling as it does of 'condiments'
>> offered in mine, requires an answer from me equally as generous as yours.
>> 
>> Yes, I am making sauce - without atttribution of sources - and to cook a
>> goose I have not yet caught. But I've seen it in the wild: we _are_
>> phenomenologists as witnesses of emergent and fugitive actual 'ingredients'.
>> 
>> The spice I added, the space of a New Babylon - Constant Nieuwenhuis - I
>> imagined, I thought usefully, as a turning inside-out , as the result of
>> dromospheric pressure, of a decisively urban field of media mobility - which
>> Constant prefigures in these terms: "Distance covered, speed, are no longer
>> the yardsticks of movement; and space, lived more intensely, seems to
>> dilate. But this intensification of space is only possible due to the
>> creative use of technical means." (Constant: 1974) Perhaps this is a nasty
>> admixture - Constant read through Virilio - but the latter has been
>> available - as I think a critically piquant addition - in an earlier post -
>> on my shelf.
>> 
>> My point is simply that the intensified relation to space ought not to be
>> denied the temporal implications of an accelerated realtime such as that
>> presented by mobile media as _the_ "technical means" referred to by
>> Constant. Virilio shows very well - while talking up intercession in the
>> (digital) code but depending on the essayistic and pictorial force of the
>> analogon - the timeliness, the (strategic) priority of an accelerated
>> reality over a reality _augmented_ by technical means. But I take your
>> point: separate code from culture.
>> 
>> Culture, however, I understand, without at all wanting to underwrite;
>> whereas code I don't. But when I say 'understand', I mean in the fugitive
>> form of a colonial promised the dish but denied the taste - which is in
>> theory delivered by postcolonialism - which divorces exactly the code from
>> the culture by the intervention of globalisation/endocolonial
>> experimentation.
>> 
>> The coincidence of moves towards privatisation - proprietary 'bubbles' - of
>> the internet with increased mobilisation - in the military sense as well -
>> of mediatech, is this the defining moment of mobile telephony? its
>> distinction? and the banner and tribune to point to as evidence of its
>> allegiance, to whom it owes tribute?
>> 
>> I ask this not out of facetiousness but to admit to misgivings - and these
>> possibly only about the answers I am giving - about serving the discussion
>> by pursuing further issues which I nonetheless regard as important and would
>> like to think I could enjoy time to contemplate.
>> 
>> It seems tonight you have offered a far more tantalising dish than I can
>> offer in return. Indeed, I've served sauce sans gander or goose.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Simon Taylor
>> 
>> 
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